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    Post by Shiva on Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:51 pm

    Part I

    For those who may not know, or may have forgotten, my belief is
    simple[well not exactly lol] I believe that the attempted assassination of
    Tupac Shakur was a part of an on-going plot [set-up etc] that
    involves the following people: The New York Black Mafia[Paffy],
    Agents, working both for the FBI and another "unknown"
    organizations, and Marion "suge" Knight [and the various people who worked for him etc]. But those three main people together. Whether
    directly or indirectly had part in the "assassination" of Tupac.


    Let me start off my "theory" with some very important quotes from
    the open letter, written by Dr. Mutulu Shakur.
    "Surely, the FBI was in Las Vegas on Sep. 7, 1996"--Shakur
    "AFENI and I have never supported a Crip vs Blood feud as presented
    by the Las Vegas Police concerning our son's assossination. And, I
    have always pushed the "Codes of the Thug Life"--Shakur.


    "If our families(SHAKURS) lack of respense to rumors and allegations
    contributed to any confusion as to what princeple we stand on; let it
    be known and clear!! We do not believe in COINCIDENCES."


    "Tupac in his Makaveli record clearly changed his wrongful view of
    who shot him and who was heading it in New York, and why"--Shakur


    For those who may have forgotten, I asked many times: "why do you
    guys think BIGGIE's name was not mentioned on the Makaveli
    album?"


    "Tupac revisedhis wrongful (stance) against Biggie's involvement
    concerning his shooting in New York. And he wanted his "Fans" to
    know it"--Shakur


    -But does Tupac mention the Black Mafia? YES, KING TUT!
    -But does Tupac mention Puffy? Yes he does!
    -But does Tupac mention the Feds? Yes he does!
    -But does Tupac mention Suge?...YES HE -----DOES! "SUGE SHOT
    ME" IS WHAT YOU HEAR , DON'T LET SOMEONE FOOL YOU INTO
    THINKIN' OTHERWISE.


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    Post by Shiva on Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:51 pm

    Part II

    I was planning to drive right into the "investigative" aspect of
    my theory, but I have decided to save it for the conclusion[parts 6 &
    7]. Part II is going to explain: (1) How I think Tupac survived; (2)
    Whom I believe helped him do it (3) Why this is all necessary
    [motivation], and (4) What I think the last piece of the puzzle is.


    I. The Black Liberation Army (BLA) helped Tupac "evade" death. I.
    BLA Commander & Chief John Thomas No facts and No specifec data
    is revealed regarding the activity of the BLA in order to protect
    people who are either functioning in the BLA [Tupac] or who have
    been apart of it. (The BLA is basically a secret underground, not
    many people believe they are still "active". "The Black Liberation
    Army is a politico-military organization, whos primary objective is to
    fight for the independance and self-determination of Afrikan, and
    other oppressed people inb the United States."


    "BPP-BLA, "comrade" Assata Shakur was liberated, and BLA soldiers
    were captured during Nyack Brinks armored car expropriation
    [Mutulu Shakur was one of them the "mastermind"] For more on BLA
    go here source: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]


    I. Understand these terms: COMRADE, and MASTERMIND.
    Definition of Mastermind: A highly intelligent person, especially one
    who plans and directs a complex or defficult project.


    A. Know that Tupac is both a comrade and a mastermind. Take note
    of his only uses of the word came at the "end" in the Makaveli album
    etc...Various timeshe mentiones "his" comrades, we also hear
    speeches from some mixed in with songs, he mentiones Sekou Odinga
    [Yafeu Fulu's father], Geronimo Pratt, Mutulu, Mumia etc as his
    equals.


    I. The mureder of BLA Commander John Thomas in September 1996
    [in Las Vegas, NV] as well as Dr. Shakur's statement from "part
    I" ["Surely the FBI was in Las Vegas on Sept. 7, 1996"--] is more
    than enough "evidence" to me, that Agents were present.
    [Remember the MURDER TAPE? Well it was
    first introduced to you all as a "SURVEILLANCE VIDEO" How many
    times has Tupac stated that he was "under Surveillance" by the Feds?
    About a dozen[more on that later]


    Tupac had a plan for that night, he knew going to Las Vegas was
    unavoidable[it is a common fact that he repeatedly told Suge he
    didn't want to go]. However, he didn't go alone, his Comrades [who
    waited anxiously to attack the first Agent they saw] were watching
    Tupac. Agents concerned with the assassination "stopped" the BMW
    [if you recall, the excuse was "loud music"] in order to create a
    change of plans, you see Tupac never expected to get shot that
    night, he planned to go to WAR! But something happened and I'm
    not sure what, but John Thomas ended up dead, and Tupac was
    successfully "shot 4x" [Lord knows what else they did] ***warlike
    codes are dispatched to other comrades...MAU MAU UNTIS*** "RIDE
    OR DIE - RIDE OR DIE! Do you know what it means? It means: "the
    enemy is here kill or be killed" Javana Thomas: the 19 year old
    daughter of John abd Ignae Thomas was "undercover" as a
    Paramedic. [who called for an anbulance? They say it was metro
    byke cops, but they never identified those men so they are full of shit
    in my opinion, besides I like my theory much better and I can prove
    half of it]
    Javana arrived to the location with another comrade, no
    one suspected anything, and they took Tupac away in an anbulance!!
    All I know is Tupac got to the hospital, and Javana was found dead in
    a medical uniform! [Fact or fiction? Go to your local library and look
    up old articles] It is my belief that the mystery
    "paramedics" were BLA souljas....

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    There are so many theories out there on who killed Tupac. My theory
    is quite simple and to the point. Anyone who knows anything about
    COINTELPRO would easily see this as another one of the
    government's plot to create dissention amongst black people. See, I
    see it like this. The government at some level was involved in the
    death of our comrade. By assassinating Bro. Tupac, this would cause
    an all out war from east to west. They used Tupac's anger towards
    east coast rappers as a stiulus to create a war amongst us. If the US
    can find a microchip in a trackload of sugar, surely they can find
    those responsible. There are cameras all over Las Vegas yet not one
    was in the vicinity of the shooting? Conviently all the evidence
    pointed to Orlando (the beating victim earlier that evening). And
    then he was killed.


    The we look at the murder of Yaki Khaddafi in New Jersey. You have
    to look at a lot of things to understand what's going on. If this was
    all an operation to help Tupac avoided prison in New York and to
    leave Death Row....The Black Liberation Army is the one group who
    could've made it happen.


    If you think you're not understanding that Tupac was very close to, and
    apart of the Black Liberation Army [the new generation, he is
    cammander now Code of Arms: THUG LIFE The BLA [Tupac] did
    make it happen. Note: John Thomas , and Ignae Thomas took care of
    Sekiyma Shakur [Tupac's little sester] when Afeni started using drugs. Tupac
    went on about his career [early days digital underground etc] He
    went to Atlanta to get "Training" from Mr. John Thomas himself.
    They are all one big extended family of "souljahs" just went to make
    that clear, cause sounds like your not sure if the BLA would have
    been involved, and Tupac is the BLA.
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    Part II continues now....[investigative aspect]
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    "The day of his death , "I Aint Mad At Cha" and "Life Goes On" are
    released, both of which talk about his death. According to Chris Reid,
    "I Aint Mad At Cha" talks anout forgiving a friend who was present at
    his death, possibly set him up. Yeah, wassup Suge? Everybody know
    you killed his ass, BUT ONLY I KNOW YOU JUST TRY TO......."

    A "drive by" is defined as: when shots are fired from a "moving"
    vehicle. There was no drive by, cause the vehicle was not moving, and the
    assailant(s) got out of the vehicle. So why was the BMW shot so
    many times if the shoter had direct contact? Cause it was
    suppose to look like a drive by.
    Why was Tupac found in the back seat? If he moved in the back seat
    and they sprayed the car that much with him and Suge still in it,
    then how the **** was he hit only 4x lol and Suge not at all? Common sense.
    [Watch CSI or something]

    The shooter got out of the vehicle , the vehicle was not moving...[It is
    a fact, not a belief, that the shooter approached the car, Suge said
    that himself(he slipped out)]. Tupac got his finger shot or cut off [it
    was missing how exactly has not yet been determined] how do we
    know it's missing? Interview with rapper Yo-Yo Reports from David
    Pugh of UMC [newspaper articles from 1996 with comments from the
    director of media relations stated he had several wounds including a
    missing middle finger]. His injuries imply that there was some type of
    struggle.

    09/1996 Tupac stayed at the Luxor Hotel. After the incident with
    "Orlando Anderson" he went back to his room, he was upset cuz he was
    suppese to meet up with outlawz, but they didn't show!!!!!

    How do we know this? A worker at the Luxor Hotel told reporters of
    Tupac's odd behavior, she said "He came to the front desk more
    than 5x in 30 minutes asking if his friends came looking for him or
    left a message , even after I told him no he said "are you sure?" I
    would say he was a little paranoid or nervous about something".

    Yassmyn Fulu on the [remaining] outlawz, "That's blood in my eye"
    she says, "blood in my eye" If you don't know what it means, it
    means betrayal, but so deep that now she wants revenge, she sees
    only their blood.

    Why didn't the outlawz meet Tupac at the MGM? LOL damn!!!! Fear is
    stronger than love, however, comrade Kadafi is different, he was
    aware and was purposely held back from getting to where Pac was.
    Even witness's say Kadafi was on the other side of the hospital lobby
    when the rest of the outlawz were on the opposite, why did he keep
    his distance? He knew shit was foul, guess what guys? THAT'S WHY
    HE'S DEAD! You think he was gonna be quiet? That's Tupac's family
    [the people involved in the movement cancidered themselves one big
    family, that's why Yaki and Pac grew up so close, plus for those who
    aint knowin' SEKOU ODINGA, member of the BLA, in prison for life is
    Yaki's father. So the feds wanted him too....

    Tupac got ------ over big time.

    Suge Knight would have been clear if he wouldn't have gotten greedy,
    cause of his greed Tupac figured out what was really going on....
    Tupac made a call to Yassmyn Fulu to set up the down payment for
    the new building that was suppose to house Euthanasia
    records....Yassmyn calls Pac back.....
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    Post by Shiva on Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:52 pm

    "There is no money in your account"

    "What?!" Tupac is pissed, REASON WHY THE CONTRACT IS
    HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MOVE [RESURRECTION]....is because he was
    suppose to be paid "1 million advance for 3 albums, un-refundable
    and due upon signing[Sept. 16, 1995]
    "1,5 million for publishing [Tupac wrote all his lyrics]
    "$500,000 due upon recieving "R U S till Down"
    "$500,000 due upon recieving "untitled final album" [which of course
    was later called Makaveli: the don Killuminati 7 day theory]

    "For Tupac A. Shakur Total amounts paid shall be $4.75 million for 3
    albums [2.25 refundable] which the following projects add 1 million
    each: "Live To Tell" [screenplay]

    "Before I sign these things must be included and the changes must
    be made. The option clause must be voluntary" [all figures from
    actual contract] Tupac FIRED David Kenner....and then he thought!
    He thought long and hard...

    Suge is my friend why would he not pay me? etc etc etc, Tupac
    started putting shit together thinking about everything...he tested
    Suge.

    "I think I'm gonna go to Atlanta work things out with my family....."--Pac

    "No you have to came to Vegas man...."--Suge

    Something else to ponder: the reason why Tupac stayed "alive" so
    long is cause Suge is greedy, he liked the monet Tupac was
    making for him, but he was suppose to get rid of him ASAP [ha!
    that's why it didn't work, he took too long]Everything got rushed,
    because Pac fired David Kenner and officially LEFT death row, Suge
    knew he had to hurry up and do it while people assumed they were
    so "close" that way most people wouldn't think of him as a suspect
    cause he was a "friend" but this would have went down...say in
    September of 1997 and Pac had his own company up and running
    with no more ties to death row....he would be looked at
    differently...don't even let me get started Travon Lane he really -----
    ---up by going to club 662[which is really derived from the
    California penal code for death row[662], not the letters m.o.b. from
    the telephone key pad lol] Tray got to the club and told people "Pac
    just got shot by that crip we jumped earlier at the MGM, baby lane
    [Orlando Anderson] hence, he began spreading their "alibi"

    LOL, someone please explain how the hell Tray knew that? When
    #1 they said they didn't see the shooters[they lied] #2 Suge lied
    cause he said he didn't know who shot Pac or have any idea, #3
    plus everyone who was following behind the BMW was held at the
    scene by the police...So how did Tray, Buntry, Neckbone and Heron
    [who just so happened to be riding all in one car together [4 men!!]
    get away?

    How did they get away? Why weren't they held? How? Why?
    Impossible! They did it! That's how they got away! Tupac was caught
    off guard cuz the people who pulled up next to him were familiar
    faces!!! BUNTRY is no blood he is a member of the BOUNTY KILLAS
    they are known for killing anyone for price!!!

    *****That was just a couple of key points I wanted to make before
    continuing on with my "theory" it is important that you keep the
    above information in mind while I continue on with my theory,
    otherwise you will get confused. This is a very complex theory
    and I'm doing my best to explain it as clear as possible.

    -Nograpes


    One person's theory is another statement of the facts?

    I put a lot of time into the theories I write. I spend countless hours
    gathering correct dates, and specific facts to back up the mojority of
    what I say, and for that reason I tend to be extremely sensetive to
    any opposition that is not also supported with substantial evidence.
    My theory differs from that of others cause I believe it 100%. I
    really cannot stress the amount of appreciation I have for you all that take
    the time to read my thoughts, findings and facts.
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    Part III

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    "To go underground is very difficult. Whatever made you unique as a
    person, you have to change all of that and become somebody totally
    different you are out of contact with your family. Former BLA member.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------



    As I have stated in part II of my theory I believe Tupac Shakur has
    gone "underground" that does not inply going under the earth or
    anything of that nature. The meaning of going underground is what
    the above^ quote suggests: that a person must change himself or
    herself, physically, mentally, and emotionally including the use of
    false indentification, however, one may suggest it may be a lot easier
    to just "fake your death".................

    Was Tupac shot 9/7/'96? Yes
    Did Tupac die 9/13/'96? No

    In his song "Hold Ya Head" from DK7 album he says "Runing
    from the authorities until they capture me...and my aim is to spread
    more smiles than tears, utilize lessons learned from my childhood
    years" [Note, every BLA member who has been underground has
    stayed put until they were captured. But this doesn't mean we wont
    ever see Tupac again. i.e. Mutulu Shakur [stepfather of Tupac]
    underground for 5 years until cartured in 1985, Sekou Odinga [father of
    Yafeu Fula] underground for 12 years until he was captured.
    In that quote did Tupac not say that he was going to "utilize lessons learned
    from his childhood?" If you recall during his childhood he was around
    members of the BLA, BPP, and RNA (Black Liberal Army, Black
    Panther Party, and Republic of New Africans)

    Another thing, Tupac often mentiones in his songs: "Conversations
    with camrades kicking [speaking] Swahili" Does he really know how
    to speak Swahili? It is possible, not to mention the likeliness of him
    being in Africa is very high considering comrade Geronimo Pratt[his
    Godfather and once minister of defence for the BPP] now lives there
    or how about Cuba with comrade Assata Shakur? But then again that
    is where everyone would expect him to be. More than likely Tupac is
    here, in the "Good, ol' USA"

    Many things were reported about Tupac's "death", some things true,
    and the rest, of course, false. Tupac Shakur was shot four times in
    Las Vegas, NV on September 7, 1996 and died seven days later on
    September 13th. Part of that sentence was correct, Tupac was shot,
    but IT WASN'T TUPAC WHO DIED!!!!!!!The media failed, like usual to report
    the more important findings surrounding this assassination attempt.
    How many people are aware of the "plot" to rid the world of Tupac
    Shakur? Not many. This plot was executed by Marion Suge Knight,
    and financed and arranged by the highest-ranking socialities of
    corporate and political America( not to mention the aid of
    Government Agents, Informants, and the leeway of the Mafia).

    Tupac Shakur has always been active politically. Other than his art
    (acting and rapping) he was planning the rebirth of all the
    "underdogs" in America. He devised a plan to transform the street
    thug into a street soldier. He noticed that noone in government
    wanted to deal with the problems in the urban ghettos. He realized
    the potential in the young men society had thrown away.

    He knew there was a way to change the mentality of those involved
    in the street hutle. "I think gangs can be positive, it just has to be
    organized and without violence." He developed a code of ethics for
    all people engaged in criminal activity (drug dealers, gang bangers,
    etc) to live by with hopes of rebuilding urban communities,
    eliminating black on black and all racial motivated violence, provide
    strength and economic stability into the community by maintaining
    black owned business, instead of drug dealing, and he made plans to
    reform the education system. Tupac would frequently invoke the
    names of Mutulu, Geronimo, and other "political prisoners" in his
    lyrics. "It was like their words with my voice", he said, "I just
    continued where they left off. I tryed to add spark to it, I tryed to be
    the new breed, the new generation. I tryed to make them proud of
    me" But, at the same time, he did not want to be them. Their
    revolution, and in most cases their lives, too, were ashes. Tupac saw
    a problem plaguing his generation : self-destraction. In order to
    CHANGE the future he needed the movement that would focus on
    some sort of law or codes people involved in crime could live by in
    order to eventually turn them into productive citizens in their
    communities. His movement was[is]called T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E. (The
    Hate You Gave Little Infants ****s Everyone)
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    Post by Shiva on Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:54 pm

    He believed with all his heart this movement called T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E. had
    a chance. When the top gangsters began listening and telling Tupac
    they would follow his lead - this scared various parties of government;
    they saw in Tupac what they feared in Dr. Martin Luther King,
    Malcolm X, Fred Hampton and others - they saw a REVOLUTIONARY.
    Seeing how Tupac outlasted the Media Assault waged against him,
    and how he was having a positive and powerful effect on inner cities
    all around America, they became intent on eliminating him. They
    wanted to do a way with Tupac in a fashion that was old-fashion
    [assassination] and guaranteed to work without any connection to
    them and the crime. That is where the Entertainment Industry comes
    in. The "establishment" or "power that be" have more ties to the
    entertainment business than anyone. This plot involves Agents,
    Gangsters, CEO's, Informants, Politicians, and crooked Cops all
    working in conjunction to assassinate Tupac Shakur. The
    establishment all the way down to the actual triggerment
    underestimate Tupac Shakur's intelligence, prophetic instincts, and
    determination. Since the first shooting in 1994 Tupac recieved death
    threats, after discovering money owed to him was not paid by Suge
    Knight the connection between his known
    enemies and those he did not know was realized.


    I KNOW YOU ALL ARE CURIOUS AS TO HOW TUPAC SHAKUR
    FOOLED HIS ENEMIES.
    THE FOLLOWING IS A SECTION OF THE "ALIVE ASPECT" PORTION
    OF THE THEORY.

    While researching his role [Tupac plays a heroin attack] for the
    movie Gridlock'd, Tupac spent a lot of time in hospitals, visiting
    heroin addicts. It was a Bellflower Medical Center [9542 E Artesia
    Blvd, Bellflower, CA Los Angeles county] that Tupac met Devon Clark
    a young man addicted to heroin and slowly dying of Aids. Tupac as
    well as other people at the center was suprised at the strong
    recemblance the two of them shared. Tupac spoke with Devan who
    admitted to being a long time fan he promised Devan he would
    return at a later date to listen to his story. Tupac would keep his
    promise as he returned to Devan, but this time he was aware of the
    plot on his life and wanted to include Devan in his plan to evade
    death. He asked Devan if he ever heard of medical procedure
    called Euthanasia. Tupac then offered Decan a proposition:
    "Give your life, which is gone already, for your family to have
    as much money as they need for the rest of their lives?"
    At that point Tupac told Devan about the plot on his life and
    who he believed was behind it, he explained that he wasn't exactly
    sure when the attempt would take place, but if he survived he
    planned to go away, to fake his death and he wanted to use his body
    to represent his own knowing there would be no way to avoid the
    police from wanting to see his dead body. He told Devan he would be
    cremated, so that after initial finger printing they could never
    view the body again (It is my belief that Devan Clark accepted
    Tupac's proposition).

    Now understand the clue on the inside of the Makaveli DK7 cover
    with the 3 fingerprints. The coroner takes a minimum of 3 of the
    deceased fingers and fingerprints for an identification. You also see a
    fingerprint in the album "R U Still Down Remember Me" This is also a
    clue to let us know he has gone underground. "false identification"

    How did Tupac get his finger prints on Devan Clark? It was not as
    hard as it may sound, actually the task was probably as easy as an
    egg of Silly Putty. Silly Putty is a combination of boric acid and
    silicone oil, and can be used to lift fingerprints. If you put Silly Putty
    onto your fingers and then carefully peel the mold and replace it on
    the hand of another person, it is possible for you to successfully plant
    your fingerprints onto them. [Try it! It's kind of fun, you also need a
    ink pad]
    For Tupac they used something very similar a combination of boric
    acid, silicone oil, and liquid latex to form a very light clear mold in
    which his fingerprints were transferred onto Devan Clark [ the mold
    has to be burned or melted onto the flesh]

    The BLA is more than capable of assisting Tupac [their prince] I've
    already proved that Commander John Thomas was in Las Vegas
    during that time, as well as many other underground comrades.


    So what do you think?
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:28 pm

    This theory is completely accurate and makes sense. Sunny you are amazing you bring in actual facts and very possible scenarios to prove out point not like crazies who say random stuff which i why most don't believe 2pac is alive. A theory can only be a certain percentage accurate because a theory is a theory. We are getting closer to the truth though

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