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    Post by Makavelilives* on Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:37 pm

    Hey guys I was wondering, If we could all get together, gather a bunch of Tupac quotes and lines from songs, interviews, whatever, and apply what we already know and our knowledge of Tupac, to find a form of government that Tupac would approve of, OR, if it is a completely new way of looking at things, maybe called it a 'Tupacracy' or something like that.

    Ok so it would basically go like this:

    Post lines, quotes, and any other thing that would show Tupac's political views, for example

    "Why you got 50 rooms when you know theres someone with NO rooms?"

    "I feel like theres too much money here(America), nobody should be hitting lotto for 36 million and we got people starvin' in the steets"

    "This world is such a GIMME GIMME GIMME-PUSH-PUSH"(People take what they want)"

    "Help white kids, mexican kids, korean kids, whoever, before its too late and you say oh we made a mistake. We should of helped those people we should of gave them some money"

    "We're not being taught to deal with the world as it is, we're being taught to live in this fairyland, which we're not even living in anymore."

    "More kids are being handed crack then being handed diplomas"

    "Give crack to the kids who the hell cares? One less ugly mouth on the welfare, First ship 'em dope let 'em deal the brothers, give 'em guns step back watch 'em kill eachother"

    "Dear Lord, look how sick this ghetto made us"

    "Figure if we high they can train us
    but then America fucked up and blamed up
    I guess it's cause we black that we targets"

    "Will I quit, will I quit?
    They claim that I'm violent, but still I keep
    representin, never give up, on a good thing
    Wouldn't stop it if we could it's a hood thing
    And now I'm like a major threat
    Cause I remind you of the things you were made to forget
    Bring the noise, to all my boyz
    Know the real from the bustas and the decoys
    And if ya hustle like a real G
    Pump ya fists if ya feel me, holla if ya hear me
    Learn to survive in the nine-tre'
    I make rhyme pay, others make crime pay
    Whatever it takes to live and stand
    Cause nobody else'll give a damn
    So we live like caged beasts
    Waitin for the day to let the rage free
    Still me, till they kill me
    I love it when they fear me"

    "I thought I hit rock bottom, they ban my album, point the finga
    I guess nobody loves a real nigga-slash-rap singer
    I thought I'd bring a little truth to the young troops
    I brought proof that the niggaz need guns too
    It's not to be a racist, but let's face this:
    wouldn't you if we could trade places?
    I got lynched by some crooked cops, and to this day
    them same motherfuckers on the beat gettin major paid
    But when I get my check they takin tax out
    So, we payin for these pigs to knock the blacks out
    Ain't that a bitch, some officers are gettin rich
    Whoopin on thugs and robbin drug dealers for they shit
    As far as jealousy, bein a celebrity
    No matter who committed the crime, they all yell at me
    And the media is greedier than most
    You could sell em your soul or they'll be on ya til a niggaz ghost
    And everyday I read the paper there's another lie
    They show my picture for the crimes of another guy"

    "Now they're after me, why? cuz a niggas black
    Sit back
    Ain't afraid to pull a triggar back
    Let 'em come step to a real mutha-fucker
    Mama ain't raised no suckers"

    "Word up. Fuck the police. I don't give a fuck."

    "Strugglin, jugglin, got it to the black man"

    "Tryin to survive in the trials and lawsuits
    Everybody wants to test me, WHY ME?"

    "I give a holler to my sisters on welfare
    Tupac cares, if don't nobody else care"

    See what I mean?
    Eventually I hope we can come to a conclusion about Tupac's political views, and if it doesn't fit any known one, we can make our own like I said above!
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:11 pm

    Being honest here, I have no idea what you're talking about cat
    Like a 2pac political party or what? tongue
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:24 am

    Ummm kind of
    Basically, we want to find the ideal 'Tupac' form of government, what he would of wanted a government to look like
    I know, it might be kind of hard, but it would be a great accomplishment
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:46 am

    Then after you have this Tupac political party, what would you do?
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    Post by Shiva on Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:51 pm

    This would be almost impossible to do as it is really unclear what you want to do..
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:27 pm

    Aaaah I'm sorry I guess it only made sense to me?

    Ok ok lemme try and break my crazy thoughts down

    Take things that Pac said, Quotes, Lines, whatever (Try not to mis interpret them)

    And they have to be related to something Pac did not like about the government(I know, theres probably a lot) or what he would like the government to do differently.

    Look at all the lines I posted up there.

    And another one, "Claiming me a criminal when you the one that made me"

    Things like that, see Pac believes that America makes, (knowingly or unknowingly, willingly or unwillingly) ghettos and poor people

    What political view would that relate to? (If there isn't one, as I said before, make our own and give it a name)

    Pac believed that the way others try to live in America, the "fairyland" way, all people do it "Gimme-gimme-gimme, push-push-push) and if you didn't get yours, for whatever reason it doesn't matter, you end up in the ghetto.

    And when you survive all that, and still manage to thrive (Oh good line, might use that something cool cig ) You are a THUG

    Please try and see what I am tying to do here it looks like I sound crazy now elated
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:30 pm

    This is still hard to follow along. Let's say we have all these line or whatever, would they be a vid or what? Sorry, it's difficult to break it down cat
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:31 pm

    A vid?

    No I mean we gather all this information about him, and from there try and conclude what political views/party Tupac would support, see?
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:34 pm

    Okay, this is making more sense now. It's like a little study to compare his political views (he shows in his music) to to political views and see which one represents Pac views the most?
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:36 pm

    YES YES YES YES cheers

    And lets say we can't find one that doesn't fit, say its a mix of Democracy, Anarchy, Oligarchy, Monarchy, we make our own and give it a name!
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:46 pm

    I see...Remember that Machaivelli wrote about dictatorship, Pac might have been influenced by that.
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:48 pm

    Yup and if you find any lines about that feel free to post it!
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    Post by member_v on Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:42 am

    I think is good idea. If I find something(or hear something), post it here. Wink
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    Post by Shiva on Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:37 pm

    Okay well I am moving this thread to the Pac's Life section, so It can continue there. Oh and here is one, I think..

    "Fuck the world because this is how they made me"
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:40 pm

    "It ain't about black or white cuz we humans"
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:57 pm

    "Can You See the Pride In the Panther"-(Black Panthers)

    "Tonight is filled with rage
    violence in the air
    children bred with ruthlessness
    because no one at home cares"

    "As real as it seems the American Dream
    Ain't nothing but another calculated schemes
    To get us locked up shot up back in chains
    To deny us of the future rob our names
    Kept my history of mystery but now I see
    The American Dream wasn't meant for me
    Cause lady liberty is a hypocrite she lied to me
    Promised me freedom, education, equality
    Never gave me nothing but slavery
    And now look at how dangerous you made me
    Calling me a mad man cause I'm strong and bold
    With this dump full of knowledge of the lies you told
    Promise me emancipation indispute nation
    All you gave my people was our patience
    Fathers of our country never cared for me
    They kept my answer shackled up in slavery
    And Uncle Sam never did a dam thing for me
    Except lie about the facts in my history
    So now I'm sitting hear mad cause I'm unemployed
    But the government's glad cause they enjoyed
    When my people are down so they can screw us around
    Time to change the government now panther power"

    "You think you living free don't let me laugh at you
    Open your eyes realize that you have been locked in chains
    Said you wasn't civilized and stole your name
    Cause some time has passed seem you all forget
    There ain't no liberty to you and me we all ain't free yet
    Panter power"
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:27 pm

    Makavelilives* wrote:"Can You See the Pride In the Panther"-(Black Panthers)

    "Tonight is filled with rage
    violence in the air
    children bred with ruthlessness
    because no one at home cares"

    "As real as it seems the American Dream
    Ain't nothing but another calculated schemes
    To get us locked up shot up back in chains
    To deny us of the future rob our names
    Kept my history of mystery but now I see
    The American Dream wasn't meant for me
    Cause lady liberty is a hypocrite she lied to me
    Promised me freedom, education, equality
    Never gave me nothing but slavery
    And now look at how dangerous you made me
    Calling me a mad man cause I'm strong and bold
    With this dump full of knowledge of the lies you told
    Promise me emancipation indispute nation
    All you gave my people was our patience
    Fathers of our country never cared for me
    They kept my answer shackled up in slavery
    And Uncle Sam never did a dam thing for me
    Except lie about the facts in my history
    So now I'm sitting hear mad cause I'm unemployed
    But the government's glad cause they enjoyed
    When my people are down so they can screw us around
    Time to change the government now panther power"

    "You think you living free don't let me laugh at you
    Open your eyes realize that you have been locked in chains
    Said you wasn't civilized and stole your name
    Cause some time has passed seem you all forget
    There ain't no liberty to you and me we all ain't free yet
    Panter power"

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    Post by Makavelilives* on Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:52 pm

    Yea the first songs and albums, especially 2pacaclypse Now and before are full political lyrics
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:38 am

    2Pac wrote:Ignore my whole plea, watching us in disgust
    And then they beg when my guns bust
    They don't give a fuck about us
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:14 am

    "Suppress the revolution of premeditated scheme
    Introduce a drug called crack
    To us ghetto teens"
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:19 am

    Found a good one:

    "I think that rich people should live like poor people and they should change every week."
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:17 am

    Makavelilives* wrote:Found a good one:

    "I think that rich people should live like poor people and they should change every week."

    Sounds like a communist view.

    As well as
    2Pac wrote:"They're should be no way that these people own planes and people don't have houses!"
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    Post by Makavelilives* on Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:21 am

    Yea so it might be a mix of many views
    So we got communist in there. what do you think the previous ones posted reflect?
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    Post by GuardadoMusic on Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:45 am

    GuardadoMusic wrote:
    2Pac wrote:Ignore my whole plea, watching us in disgust
    And then they beg when my guns bust
    They don't give a fuck about us

    This could be interpreted that Pac didn't agree with the Conservative views.
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    Post by Shiva on Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:10 pm

    GuardadoMusic wrote:
    GuardadoMusic wrote:
    2Pac wrote:Ignore my whole plea, watching us in disgust
    And then they beg when my guns bust
    They don't give a fuck about us

    This could be interpreted that Pac didn't agree with the Conservative views.

    How?

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